Discussion:
[Pydotorg-redesign] /psa/ bad link, site redesign progress...
Skip Montanaro
2003-08-05 14:50:13 UTC
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FYI, for the people tackling the /psa/ section, see the attached note.

Things seem to have quieted down substantially. Can I take that to mean
people are busily working on sections of the redesign? If not, now that we
seem to have identified some candidate look-n-feel's, how about working on
some overall structure issues? What stays? What goes? What's new?

I believe one of the more confusing sections of the site for many people is
the download section. For instance, while the front /download/ page isn't
too bad, once you dive into a particular section, you're treated with a lot
of text and have to pick out the version you want from it, and maybe jump
off to other sites to get MacPython or Sean Reifschneider's Red Hat RPMs. I
think a tabular layout without any extraneous text would work better.

File Platform Signature
Python-2.3.exe Windows binary [signature link]
Python-2.3.tgz Source, all platforms [signature link]
...

Also, note that Jack Jansen has redesigned his MacPython pages to use
ht2html and look structurally like the current python.org site. I think
it would be best for his separate site to be folded into the main site. (I
believe that's his goal.) At that point, his various Mac versions would
also be made available in the above proposed table.

Another thought while I'm rambling... Solaris tar (at least) has trouble
with long paths in the Mac section of the tar file. The current
recommendation is that they use GNU tar. Perhaps a better move would be to
switch to Zip files. I suspect zip is more widely available than tar, and
may not suffer from the path length problems some tar implementations have.

Skip

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A.M. Kuchling
2003-08-05 15:25:07 UTC
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Post by Skip Montanaro
FYI, for the people tackling the /psa/ section, see the attached note.
This will be taken care of when the /psa/ section disappears. Since
no one has commented on the new pages at /community/, I'll assume
they're OK and begin updating links to /psa/.
Post by Skip Montanaro
Things seem to have quieted down substantially. Can I take that to mean
people are busily working on sections of the redesign? If not, now that we
seem to have identified some candidate look-n-feel's, how about working on
some overall structure issues? What stays? What goes? What's new?
I think we're stuck on the question of choosing a look and feel,
because it's unknown it is to choose one. We have a few proposals
(the Pollenation mockups, Walter's prototype) but who decides to go
with one style or decides that they're all unsuitable? Guido? The
PSF Board? The readership of this mailing list?

Is anyone going to apply Walter's patch to fix various well-formedness
problems?
http://styx.livinglogic.de/~walter/www.python.org-converted/diff.txt
Is Walter going to get CVS commit access, or should I try to check in
the changes (I can do that tonight)?

--amk (www.amk.ca)
Not hat people, are you? Either of you?
-- The Doctor, in "Frontios"
Walter Dörwald
2003-08-05 16:24:24 UTC
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Post by A.M. Kuchling
[...]
I think we're stuck on the question of choosing a look and feel,
because it's unknown it is to choose one. We have a few proposals
(the Pollenation mockups, Walter's prototype) but who decides to go
with one style or decides that they're all unsuitable? Guido? The
PSF Board? The readership of this mailing list?
We could try a slow migration. The first thing would be to fix
fonts and margins etc. in the current style sheet.
Post by A.M. Kuchling
Is anyone going to apply Walter's patch to fix various well-formedness
problems?
http://styx.livinglogic.de/~walter/www.python.org-converted/diff.txt
Is Walter going to get CVS commit access,
That was the plan, but I'm still getting
"Permission denied (publickey)" when trying to check out.
Post by A.M. Kuchling
or should I try to check in
the changes (I can do that tonight)?
That would be great.

Bye,
Walter D?rwald
Fred L. Drake, Jr.
2003-08-05 16:33:44 UTC
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Post by Walter Dörwald
That was the plan, but I'm still getting
"Permission denied (publickey)" when trying to check out.
Barry's swamped right now; please send a complete description of the
error you're getting to the pydotorg list. You should be on that
now... since I just added your name. ;-)


-Fred
--
Fred L. Drake, Jr. <fdrake at acm.org>
PythonLabs at Zope Corporation
A.M. Kuchling
2003-08-05 20:40:49 UTC
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Post by Walter Dörwald
Post by A.M. Kuchling
or should I try to check in
the changes (I can do that tonight)?
That would be great.
It's done. I haven't done a "make install" in all of the relevant
directories, though, because once I change the /psa/ link all of the
pages will have to be updated anyway.

--amk
Walter Dörwald
2003-08-08 20:55:33 UTC
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Post by A.M. Kuchling
Post by Walter Dörwald
Post by A.M. Kuchling
or should I try to check in
the changes (I can do that tonight)?
That would be great.
It's done. I haven't done a "make install" in all of the relevant
directories, though, because once I change the /psa/ link all of the
pages will have to be updated anyway.
I've started working on well-formedness problems for the .htm and
.html files in the repository. Here's the patch:

http://styx.livinglogic.de/~walter/diff-html.txt

(This covers only a part of the files, and it doesn't make it
XHTML (i.e. lowercase names and quoted attributes), but it
simplifies the job for the conversion tool.

I've someone could OK this patch, I'd check it in.

Bye,
Walter D?rwald

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